Wednesday, 28. 06. 2017


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190 responses to “Wednesday, 28. 06. 2017”

  1. Tybo says :


    I have read Rabelais and enjoyed it but it was so long ago that I don’t remember much detail.

    On I do is a disquisition on what the best thing to wipe your arse on. IIRC the eventual conclusion was a swan (possibly a goose) because you can grab it by the head and pull its neck through…

    Theleme Doing What You Wilt being the whole of the law. That’s from Gargantua and Pantagruel too

  2. Tybo says :

    Ooh, nice TOTP if I do say so myself.

  3. polly says :

    I wasn’t aware the Thames is a sacred river. Someone I know went to India to put her cats ashes in the Ganges.

    No, I’m not entirely sure how she got them through customs….

  4. Tybo says :

    What I have just read (today) is Youth by J.M. Coetzee.

    My Writing MA was, as far as I can tell, entirely useless in terms of learning anything at all about anything at all, except that it did introduce me to Coetzee for which I am enormously grateful.

    Read some Coetzee, James. He is a genuine genius.

  5. polly says :

    I fancy a proper viking funeral though, being put in a boat and set alight.

    Do you think you can get them with one of those funeral plans where you get a free pen just for enquiring?

  6. Tybo says :

    The best thing about being a library assistant is that I get to wander through the store bits where they put the books that there is no space for in the library.

    Curiously, most of the best books are not on display. There are stacks and stacks of classics because they cannot be taking up shelf space needed for Dan Brown and Geoffrey Archer novels.

    Coetzee is a case in point. I think there is generally one or two out in the library but they have loads in store. Literature Nobel laureate and the first writer to win two Booker Prizes, still producing books and he is hidden away in the store room.

    Which is great because no one takes them out and they are there if I want them!

    (evil cackle)

  7. emmachisset says :

    I used a Jeffrey Archer novel for a while, got far into it before i got the cash for loo roll.
    It wasn’t great , the paper was too thick and inflexible.

  8. Tybo says :

    For a long term standing joke I have been surprised to see how popular his books still are. People take them out on a regular basis.

    Not as much as Lee Child. I think I will have to read one of those to see if I can work out why they are so popular.

  9. justamentalpatient says :

    Don’t try 50 shades. It will just make you piss yourself.

  10. Tybo says :

    Too late, Justa, too late…

  11. Tybo says :

    I doubt if there is an author of erotica living who didn’t read that to try to work out what the secret was.

    I was as stumped afterwards as before unless phrases like “my inner goddess is jumping up and down waving pompoms” is the secret to success.

  12. justamentalpatient says :

    You poor thing. Given your background, it must have been horrifying!

  13. Tybo says :

    More mystifying. I will confess that I didn’t actually finish it but I did read a big chunk and then skim read the rest.

  14. justamentalpatient says :

    Her inner goddess did a lot of leaping.

    It was like a really bad porn mag. Without the readers wives section, including two photos of the same woman under different names and the throbbing man meat…

  15. justamentalpatient says :

    You could have simply read the same six pages over and over again.

  16. Tybo says :

    This is true, Justa. But the only way to find that out was to read a lot more than that.

    The thing that surprised me most was that there was so little sex in it. Just endless simpering and “Holy Craps!”

    And I had read that it was also consumer porn, that she got showered with all this expensive designer stuff. But not in the first one.

    No hyperbole, it really is an odd phenomenon. It must be to do with the media, the fact it was a fanfic thing that gathered momentum, rather than anything to do with the content.

  17. justamentalpatient says :


    When I started w**k at a factory on the night shift, the suprvisor went around telling the lads not to swear, etc. Withing a short space of time I was critiqueing their “educational material”.

    Look, justa. Lesbians!
    They’re not lesbians, they’re str8 girls acting for the camera.
    How would you know?
    How many lesbians have you had sex with?
    OK. Good point.

  18. justamentalpatient says :

    The writing was just bloody awful. Maybe mass hysteria could explain it?

  19. interiorbc says :

    I like your hamster Viking funeral emms…

    haven’t read 50 shades, but I’m sure that D H Lawrence and even Erica Jong did it better…

  20. justamentalpatient says :

    Only read bits of the first one. Any more and I’d have given up on reading altogether. Or poked my own eyes out.

  21. justamentalpatient says :

    Yep. Viking funeral a good idea for rodentage.

    I’ve written better than 50 shades, inty. And I’m mostly vanilla…

  22. Tybo says :

    I think so, Justa. Perhaps not hysteria exactly but a ball starting rolling that just generated its own momentum.

    I am not a Harry Potter fan but I can see why it worked. I have not read a Geoffrey Archer novel but I suspect that there is something in the recipe that works or else why would people still be taking the books out?

    But I can’t imagine 50 Shades being anything but an historical curiosity in 20 years.

    Have you read Nine and a Half Weeks, btw? That is interesting because it is basically the same story (the protagonist is not so ridiculously wet but the guy is very similar)

    I think that is a very well written book. It has the same plot, the same set up, almost the same object of desire.

    It was, of course, successful, but is remembered mostly because of the Kim Basinger and Micky Rourk film.

  23. Tybo says :

    It isn’t that good writers did it better, Inty, it is that everyone who ever tried to write an erotic novel did it better (if I include myself in this it is honestly not being in the least concieted)

    It is just that bad.

    So how did the worst ever erotic novel become the most successful ever erotic novel?

    Nobody knows anything, as William Golding said about Hollywood.

  24. justamentalpatient says :

    Yes, tybes. A bit like Dan Brown, too.

    No I haven’t. Or seen the fillum in full. I will place it on the list.

  25. justamentalpatient says :

    Mills and ruddy Boon did it better.

  26. emmachisset says :

    i flicked through a few pages of Shades when they piled it up inside the entrance at Tesco superstore, it were worse than jeffrey #Archer

  27. NuitsdeYoung says :

    Tybo: “Curiously, most of the best books are not on display. There are stacks and stacks of classics because they cannot be taking up shelf space needed for Dan Brown and Geoffrey Archer novels.”

    This is what disgusts me about what has happened with libraries. Libraries shoud have a moral duty to keep the good stuff accessible and available (and too many sell it off because “no-one borrows it”). People can easily pick up dross in charity shops. Many libraries were founded to give people the opportunity to access good stuff for free, for improving educational and cultural access.

  28. Tybo says :

    All true, Nuits but it is accessible.

    The problem is (in my mind) that it is accessible to people who already know that they want it, rather than to casual browsers.

  29. emmachisset says :

    agree about the libraries, ours was closed then reopened after rebuilding, smaller, and part time, shared use, ie the books are only around the walls so the middle of the room can be used for other things, and teh choice of books is so low brow,

  30. justamentalpatient says :

    Yep. You have to request it.

    Like many things in life.

  31. justamentalpatient says :

    Hoping that Despicable Me 3 is as fab as the first 2.

  32. Tybo says :

    As for “no one borrows it”

    I was in today and got first look at a bunch of withdrawn books. Didn’t want any of them but I did (jokingly) point out that I have several books out that have not been withdrawn in ages (2005 in the case of a Christina Rossetti bio and collected poems, and 2000 in the case of a two part biography of Coleridge)
    So they ought to sell me those for 40p a copy.

    Seriously 17 years since the Coleridge bios were taken out.

  33. brusselsexpats says :

    Talking of Viking funerals, they were hygienic as was burning the dead on the seashore in Ancient Greece.

    Maybe if medieval Europeans had gone in for mass cremation the Black Death and other diseases wouldn’t have taken such a terrible hold. Just a thought.

    Nighty night……

  34. NuitsdeYoung says :

    Tybo: “The problem is (in my mind) that it is accessible to people who already know that they want it, rather than to casual browsers.”

    Exactly. My old university library has done this with its older stock now, too, which is infuriating.

    But public libraries have dumbed down to an excruciating extent, flogging off the good stuff and refusing to buy books on request.

  35. fiftyoneandabitmorenow says :

    Can’t decide if it’s worse in a public library or a university one to hide books. What was impressed upon me is “read around” but if there aren’t the books there how would you know what to read other than the obvious, which is there. (T’internet was in its infancy when I did my degree and for others here, not even on the horizon?)

  36. NuitsdeYoung says :

    Exactly, 51. And sometimes I could find books by location in the university library, and didn’t always recall the author, but I knew which shelf they were on and the cover appearance. Now some have been stashed away in a store and have to be asked for by name, I’m flummoxed.

  37. interiorbc says :

    off tomorrow…take care all.

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